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    Anadrol and Women

    Anadrol and Women
    By Bill Roberts

    While itís common for bodybuilders to suspect that Anadrol would be an even riskier choice for use by women than most anabolic steroids, actually the reverse is true. Medically, once per day dosing of 50 mg/day over extended periods has shown only a moderate rate of virilization problems. The same certainly cannot be said of Anavar, Dianabol, or Winstrol (stanozolol.) While not necessarily sufficient for high level female bodybuilding competition by todayís standards, such a dose actually is considerably more than needed by most women for excellent results in adding muscle, losing fat, and generally improving their physiques. Half this dose ó 25 mg/day, preferably taken as divided doses ó is very effective and is so far as I know the lowest-risk way to obtain this degree of benefit from anabolic steroids.

    Even 12.5 mg/day in divided doses can be remarkably effective.


    Anadrol and Virilization


    This is not to say, however, that at even these reduced doses there is no risk of virilization. As seen from the fact that some women with time develop facial hair and voice hoarseness simply from their natural androgen levels, itís possible for an individual woman to be on the threshold of virilization in the first place. In these cases, any added androgen, even oral DHEA supplementation, can trigger virilizing side effects. So it must be understood that risk does exist.

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    Here's more on this from Bill.............


    What are the Best Steroids for Women?

    BY BILL ROBERTS

    Q: What are the best anabolic steroid for women? Are Anavar and Primobolan the best bets to minimize masculinizing side effects?

    A: It may seem surprising but IMO Anadrol (oxymetholone) is a good choice for women who wish to be conservative yet have very effective results.

    I dont specialize in cycles for women and dont choose to involve myself with itĒ it almost only happens when the wife of someone Im working with wants to use some anabolic steroids as well but I havent seen 25 mg/day in divided doses go wrong yet.

    Medically, youd be astonished at the doses women and even girls have taken with very low virilization rates. So anyway, contrary to what intuition might suggest, Anadrol is not one of the riskier choices for women.

    That aside, 15 mg/day of Anavar (oxandrolone) will be virilizing in quite a few cases. Probably about 5 mg/day of oxandrolone is comparable to 25 mg/day Anadrol (divided doses) for risk.

    Primobolan up to 50 mg/week, divided injections, is a common and reasonable choice, but has some risk: not a particularly high rate though.

    I first learned of [Anadrol for women] from Dan Duchaine. In the earlier parts of Denise Rutkowskis career, he had her on 25 mg/day Anadrol. I dont think Im disclosing a secret here because he also published this. She obviously did very well with it and at that point she was not virilized at all. So from him mentioning this to me, I looked further into it.

    The medical doses are pretty astonishing. The reason that 50 mg is the tablet size is because thats the standard minimal medical dose, including for women and children! It used to be used extensively for improving red blood cell count.

    Im sure I could find it again, and Ive posted it before, but theres at least one paper in the literature reporting doses used for quite a large number of women and reporting low incidence of any side effects. And these doses were often more than 50 mg/day. Sometimes much more.

    And further, personally Ive never seen 25 mg/day go wrong.

    Im not saying it cant: you see some women developing hoarse voices and facial hair naturally with time, so there must be some women that are right on the edge. But generally speaking, this is a conservative dose, yet quite effective.

    The mg amount that women can tolerate of Anadrol is markedly higher than any other anabolic steroid. However, that said, its also true that effect per mg is less, but not enough so to make up the safety difference IMO. I would put 25 mg/day Anadrol (in divided doses) up against 50 mg/week Primo any time for effectiveness and its at least equally conservative.

    Another thing about Anadrol thats remarkable is that other anabolic steroids are very easily disruptive of the menstrual cycle. Even dosages such as 2.5 mg oxandrolone 2x/day commonly raise issues. Anadrol however medically has shown often only moderate effect on the menstrual cycle at 50mg/day, and in my too-limited experience with it (as I generally dont work with women on steroid cycles) 25 mg/day only lightened and shortened the cycles slightly. Remarkably less disruptive.

    As a rough rule of thumb: take a dosage that would be quite moderate for a man, nearly the minimum likely to be recommended that could still give reasonable results for a novice, then divide by 10 to have something thats moderate but effective for a woman.

    (I dont mean effective in the womens pro bodybuilding sense.)

    For each individual steroid, my suggested mild-but-effective dosage range may differ from the above slightly, and of course the above also is only approximate because there will be diffferent opinions as to what would be moderate for a man. But if having nothing else to work with, if you see or are considering a dosage and want to do a quick reality check, the above can help. For example, say that someone is proposing EQ at 100 mg/week. Multiply by 10, and our comparison would be to 1000 mg/week of EQ for a man. Thats well above being a mild cycle. So we can see at a glance that this EQ dose is off, without having had to remember specific values for each steroid.

    Id also take Winstrol out of the equation, as its possible (Im not certain) it has a somewhat worse benefits/risk ratio for women than most other anabolic steroids.

    Also in general Id forget stacking for women.

    Returning to the stacks you asked about, and in general to anabolic steroids other than Anadrol for women:

    I cant say that it couldnt possibly be that some stacking method might give better ratio of muscle gain to side effects, but as to whether we know what that is, thats another question entirely. The best understood uses are single-drug, and single-drug works fine. Primo or Anadrol are my top two choices for bodybuilding and fitness; oxandrolone is also acceptable but must be lower dosed than those two; for quality of life enhancement, very very low dose testosterone works fine.

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    Is there any female competitors here can vouch for this?

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    My wife has used many different types of gear! Anavar and Primo by far gave her the least in virilization and yielded her amazing results when stacked together. She has used Decca, Test cyp, you name it and she has used most of the "harder all male" steroids, all of which gave her pretty hard virilization. She stopped with the harder stuff and eventually the hair growth stopped, but the other sides remained; deeper raspy voice, enlarged clitrus (which she and I actually are glad), and slight hair growth on her butt. The butt hair growth is easily manageable as she shaves her bottom with her legs, so its really no worry. The unwanted hair growth is slowly leaving. Also, she suffered bad hair loss from her scalp. Im just saying, from her personal use, 20mg of Annie and 100mg a week of Primo, were/are the best results with the least sides for her personally. She experiences amazing results by stacking those two. Again, thats just been her experience.

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