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    Quote Originally Posted by Mtnsnbeach View Post
    Why would you put yourself thru this crucial period of healing w out hgh and test. Read the last several pages and I figure you just planned this as an off period . Hoping you recover fastc
    I know the health and healing benefits taking hgh/and test would have provided. But i had to look at the big picture!
    The question would be why would i pin hgh and test knowing im having bloodwork taken for trt. This would have kept me from receiving the long term help i need. Trt.
    Also being a work related injury. You never know what kinda bull crap they would try. Including looking at bloodwork for other things not normally looked at. (This was a major concern)Now im set. one week i find out what is being done for my levels. This will be a game changer. Something i will have for the rest of my life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by macedog24 View Post
    I know the health and healing benefits taking hgh/and test would have provided. But i had to look at the big picture!
    The question would be why would i pin hgh and test knowing im having bloodwork taken for trt. This would have kept me from receiving the long term help i need. Trt.
    Also being a work related injury. You never know what kinda bull crap they would try. Including looking at bloodwork for other things not normally looked at. (This was a major concern)Now im set. one week i find out what is being done for my levels. This will be a game changer. Something i will have for the rest of my life.
    That’s for the reply. I just know that timing test shots is pretty easy if you kno the date your getting blood work taken for work..but I understand you don’t want surprises. As far as the hgh goes 3 iu a day doesn’t raise anything longer than the 8 or so hours it’s in your system (hgh/igf levels )....anyway a friend of mine had a major pec tear and after surgery and no “supplements” he atrophied a ton BUT as he started back into rehab he began on test and a couple peptides and regained muscle amazingly fast

    I wish you the best w your recovery . I have a shoulder that bothers me but not to the level that you or others w logs were describing .

    Everytime I check your log I’m looking for a delicious meal

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mtnsnbeach View Post
    That’s for the reply. I just know that timing test shots is pretty easy if you kno the date your getting blood work taken for work..but I understand you don’t want surprises. As far as the hgh goes 3 iu a day doesn’t raise anything longer than the 8 or so hours it’s in your system (hgh/igf levels )....anyway a friend of mine had a major pec tear and after surgery and no “supplements” he atrophied a ton BUT as he started back into rehab he began on test and a couple peptides and regained muscle amazingly fast

    I wish you the best w your recovery . I have a shoulder that bothers me but not to the level that you or others w logs were describing .

    Everytime I check your log I’m looking for a delicious meal
    Lol.. About the meals... Thanks. Yea. I will be updating shortly.

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    Some new info i was told to check out.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/26328801/

    Who knew.. If this is true. Why not do both seperate. Recovery time seems to be significantly less.

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    Its official Approved trt.
    200mg cyp a week
    Through titan medical
    Even if your having a hard time getting bloodwork done. Id recommend giving titan a try. Tell em i sent ya: they should take care of you. Call/text/ online. Your choice
    https://titanmedicalcenter.com

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    We are in week 11.

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    Been doing hills the last few days.
    About 45 minutes to an hr. Shins are dam killing me. See the ortho Wednesday. Cant wait. Need approval to start real cardio. Running/jogging etc. Gonna see if im able to do any body weight exercises.

    Ive been going over some things.
    Restrictions after 20 weeks are Kinda upsetting. So i am gonna have to see what kind of alternatives i have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by macedog24 View Post
    We are in week 11.
    Therapy is dam killing me. I feel like a total newb. I push myself so hard by the time therapy/rehab is over. My arm is shaking so bad.. Lol.
    So we have added many more exercises.
    Everything is 3-5sec hold x2sets

    Side lying external rotation with 3lb weight.
    Hold for 5 sec repeat 20 reps x 2sets
    Low rows with bands

    Hold a band between both hands palm up in front of me , elbows at my sides. Pull outward to the sides with both hands Keeping elbows down at my side. 20 x 2sets

    Standing with bands.
    Elbows down to the side , hand in front of me i perform and external rotation 20 reps x2
    Followed by internal rotation with band.
    20rep x 2

    Tricep extension 2 sets black bands
    5 sec down , hold for 3 sec,...slowly retract 5 sec to starting position
    Wall presses w/ towel. Forward and side.
    These kill me.im so spent when doing these.
    It takes everything i have to push up the wall.
    I can get about 3/4 with elbow in front of my body. I cannot yet rotate my arm enough to do a proper pressing motion. Cannot get the elbow/ arm to the side of my body and hand upward as if im doing a press. It will take some time.
    Bench press (lol)
    Laying on my back i have a pvc 1"pipe with an ankle weight wrapped around it.
    I do 25 or more presses...very slowly down and up count to about 7 each way.
    Laying on my stomach on the table with my right arm hanging off the side i do a
    one arm row
    Reverse fly /Read delt raise
    Then keeping my arm in a straightened position hanging off the table i raise my arm to my butt.. Behind me without causing pain.
    Plus all my normal exercises and stim. Finish with ice.. Done in about 2 hrs

    See the ortho Wednesday.
    More physical and strenuous Stretching should be in the works. Also, im pushing for my cardio jogging/running and see about pushups. Evennif she will allow them from my knees i will take it.. Better than nothing.

    Will update after my app.

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    Been a long day with the dr.

    Saw the ortho today. She said im very tight. (Tendons).

    She said the tear was pretty severe she is not surprised.

    Gonna add in overhead pulleys. To help with range of motion and stretching the tendons.

    Work Restrictions are the same. Nothing has changed for now.

    So dont know what work will do or how they will react. Had to send everything to my lawyer and work. I am to continue therapy 2x a week. See her again in 8 weeks.

    She said closer to 6 month range for better range of motion better flexability.. /

    Im able to jog /run. Do cardio. I was told do not push the arm past the point of exhaustion.

    Even discussed my trt and referred me to a dr. In house.

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    So as i said, all restrictions are to remain the same.

    Today i was told work cannot accomadate my restrictions. So as of now im out for another 8 weeks...see ortho again in july!! Getting real rough not making money!! Been out since the beginning of feb!

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    Was in the process of buying a home before this surgery. So i cannot let this mess that up and affect my credit..

    Today went to therapy. I am pretty dam sore.

    Added in over head pulleys.

    1. like doing delt raises, except using my left arm as the weight adding pressure to raise the right arm above the head in a delt raise. Hold for 5 sec.

    2. Like a shoulder press. Using the left arm again as the weight and pulling and stretching out the right arm into a shoulder press motion. Hold for 5 sec.

    Elbow isnt fully to the side while doing this but much farther then it has been.

    This also helps rotating the arm/hand upward while my elbow is out toward the side.

    3. One arm tricep ext. While holding a towel behind my back. The left hand is doing the extension upward above the head. While the right hand is holding onto the towel (trying to get motion going backward).

    The goal is to be able to take the right arm and bend it behind your back. Hand aboit midway up your back..

    Presently i cannot get my right hand even behind my butt cheek.. It sucks badly...

    This was the worse of the three .. Painful is an understatement.

    Therapist Did a lot more physical stretching me out and pushing my limits to the side and beyond my head... Im obliterated... Totally wiped out.
    Also continue other exercises.

    Will do foam rolling tonight and throughout the weekend to keep loose and also use a tennis ball behind and around my scapula.

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    Check This out!!!

    My therapist told me the nurse for workers comp called her.

    said she was surprised and caught off guard. My therapist also said she (nurse )was rude and made it out that my ortho was mad..And she ( the nurse) wanted to get me back in and seen by someone else to change my restrictions that my orthp put in place.

    Is this even allowed? Is she overstepping her bounds?

    How can the nurse for wc try and have someone else change what my surgeon has instructed after she saw just saw me and reevaluated me.

    Some crooked and under handed shit goin on here.

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    Went on a family vacation for a week.
    Nurse even called me twice on vacation.
    Next she called my therapist boss to try and get her in trouble.
    Since ive been back we changed up a bunch exercises.
    Added foam roller straight up and down the center of my back. I roll on it from left clavical tonright clavical.
    Also on the foam roaller we do a (pec )flyes no weights. 2 sets
    Also on foam roller we do an OH stretch try and touch the ground and then bring hands back to my chest.
    All exercises have increased in weight.
    Black bands on all exercises that i use bands.
    While doing tricep ext/kickbacks. The right side/band snapped...lol i apologized. They said they have more.. I waited to do triceps last. Didn't want to wear down the bicep and shoulder.
    Curls im on 7lbs. Will ask for 10lbs next week. They had me on 5lbs. Talked em up to 7lbs. Hope this iant the max lbs they have.
    My range of motion has increased a lot. I can now get deodorant on both arms without using the wall or only my left hand for both sides.
    Gonna start back up on my bpc157. See the ortho again on the 3rd of july. So i wanna press things a little now. I believe now the anchor in the shoulder for the bicep is stable and shouldnt come out. Now its all about getting range of motion back and strength. Still cant wipe my ass with my right hand.
    Need to get the backward range of motion back. Cant bring my right hand up behind my back at all. I can only get to mid ass cheek.. Lol
    Also, still cant rotate my arm into a shoulder press position.
    Getting better, but a very slow process.

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    Quote Originally Posted by macedog24 View Post
    Went on a family vacation for a week.
    Nurse even called me twice on vacation.
    Next she called my therapist boss to try and get her in trouble.
    Since ive been back we changed up a bunch exercises.
    Added foam roller straight up and down the center of my back. I roll on it from left clavical tonright clavical.
    Also on the foam roaller we do a (pec )flyes no weights. 2 sets
    Also on foam roller we do an OH stretch try and touch the ground and then bring hands back to my chest.
    All exercises have increased in weight.
    Black bands on all exercises that i use bands.
    While doing tricep ext/kickbacks. The right side/band snapped...lol i apologized. They said they have more.. I waited to do triceps last. Didn't want to wear down the bicep and shoulder.
    Curls im on 7lbs. Will ask for 10lbs next week. They had me on 5lbs. Talked em up to 7lbs. Hope this iant the max lbs they have.
    My range of motion has increased a lot. I can now get deodorant on both arms without using the wall or only my left hand for both sides.
    Gonna start back up on my bpc157. See the ortho again on the 3rd of july. So i wanna press things a little now. I believe now the anchor in the shoulder for the bicep is stable and shouldnt come out. Now its all about getting range of motion back and strength. Still cant wipe my ass with my right hand.
    Need to get the backward range of motion back. Cant bring my right hand up behind my back at all. I can only get to mid ass cheek.. Lol
    Also, still cant rotate my arm into a shoulder press position.
    Getting better, but a very slow process.
    Forgot to mention ive started doing wall pushups.. At therapy

    1.Regular hand spread
    2.Military hand placement
    3.Diamonds
    3 sets of each she said 10
    So i did 15
    So i did these like a superset 1/2/3 30 sec break. Repeat. Repeat again.

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    Monday i began a new regimen.

    I believe this is what i truly need.

    I will be back in the gym 5 days a week.

    Cardio will be everyday.

    Gonna have to start super light with right bicep

    And pulling exercises.

    Gonna try and use the pec deck for stretching and getting back my range of motion.

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    The gym is under some construction. Walked around did some cardio yesterday evening.

    I feel so awkward. Its honestly hard trying to get myself into a schedule routine right now. Trying to figure out what i can and cant do. What is to much and what is a No no. Im gonna try and reach out to my ortho and see if i can implement some heavier weights. And see if i can use the pulldown machine. And maybe tricep dip machine. Preacher curl and a few others. pulling exercises.

    Even bench with just the bar if she will allow it. Even seated bench .....

    Update in a bit headed to the gym.

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    There are a lot of uncertainties. One thing for sure.. After seeing the surgeon come july 3rd. I want to be ready/able to go back to full duty. 5 month on a very limited income has made things very difficult. So it will be worse if i go back on light duty with heavy restrictions.. So i wanna push as hard as i can (smartly)without causing more damage.

    At the 6 month mark i wanna have most of my mobility and range of motion back!

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    Today 1hr 30min rehab/therapy.

    Started off stretching me out on the table.

    Trying to get the right arm/shoulder to a full above the head stretch.

    Also worked on the side range of motion.

    First exercise was new.

    Double straps hanging from above my head down to my thigh (height).

    Take one in each hand, with palms facing me and arms fully extended straight out in front of me I walk forward until both arm are pulled upward above my head and my arms are now being pulled behind me. Hold this position for 5 seconds. Repeat for 20 reps. I was definitely feeling this stretching out my right arm/shoulder. The pain/soreness was comparable to my first few weeks of therapy..

    Definitely need to get this arm to full rom.

    Im very flexable to begin with. So i would compare this to about 70% range of motion.

    Best way to describe this is a cable crossover .

    Begin with my right arm pulling a (band)from thigh high on my left side. Bring my right elbow up in a chicken wing position shoulder height then extend my arm out to the side so my arm is straight out. Hold and bring back slowly .. Repeat for 20reps.

    Like a half of an X. If you can picture that.

    Then i performed all my normal band exercises. Everything is with the black bands.

    Followed by laying chest down on the table.

    one arm rows 7lb

    Reverse Flyes 5lb

    One arm Rear delt raise 5lb

    Bicep curls 7lb

    Supination curl 7lb

    Reverse curl 7lb

    Wall push ups

    Standard 20

    Miltary 20

    Diamond 20

    When done went to the gym

    20minutes arch trainer

    Leg extentions

    4 set -15 reps

    Leg curls

    4 sets 12-15 reps

    Seated Calf raises

    4 sets 10-15reps

    Back in for 20min arch trainer.

    Called left a message for my ortho.

    Asked if im able to lift 45lb plates using both hands.

    Also will confirm about using overhead pulldowns for stretching and range of motion purposes. Little to no weights.

    Hopefully i will get a call back tomorrow.

    Using the black bands and stretching them how i do when doing certain exercises. I can definitely say im pushing/pulling more than 45lbs. It also took more than 45lbs of pressure for me to break the last black band.

    Crossing my fingers.

    Forgot to add in i used the foam roller
    Performed OH extentions
    Performed chest Flyes

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    todays therapy
    Before we began everything i decided to talk about my shoulder in detail and really press the issue about there seems to be no rotation in the socket.
    She agreed it seems to be froze/bound up.
    So we changed some stretching and table work. Placing a ball behind my delt pressing the shoulder forward and with my arm out to the side in a 90 degree angle , i would push her hand with an internal rotation for 10 seconds. The allow the forearm to fall back like flexing my bicep(position). Each time i had a better stretch allowing my arm to fall back closer to a normal flexing position.
    Dam i was sore and im sure i will be sore later but its well worth it. I wiah we had begun these sooner.
    I did all my normal exercise. Lasted about 1.5hrs of therapy.
    Afterward i went to the gym.
    35 minutes of the arch trainer.. Added 3 minutes was of a cool down. 4 , 3, 2 done.
    I would go 3 minutes level 8 incline 1minute level 4 and repeat. Until finished. Resistance stayed the same at 10.

    Will go back tonight to Do more cardio and get in a real workout and stretch.
    Ive been cleared for a bunch of tricep exercises, some closer grip pulling exercises, Rows , some bicep work, also.
    Legs.

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    last night hit the gym again about 11:30pm. got outta the gym about 1:10am.
    Started off 15minutes arch trainer
    Leg extentions
    Leg curls
    Seated calf raises
    One arm preacher curl
    Tricep ext. 3 sets workwd up to 100lbs. Was worried about putting pressure on the front of the shoulder so kept things lighter than normal. But better than doing no weights.. Had a good pump. Changed grips from a v grip to straight bar. Only did 2 sets with the straight bar. I could definitely feel more of a pull in the front on the right shoulder. So i didnt wanna chance it.
    Moved over used v grips for seated low cable rows. Used light weight but kept constant TUT. Nice and slow movements.
    Moved over to the pec deck.
    Used one arm adjusted for a good stretch. Used very light weight. Did 4 sets of like 30 reps. Didn't feel a whole lot but each time i will try increasing a little as long as everything stays safe.
    Moved over to seated machine rows.
    Did 3 sets light weight i think maybe 70-80lbs. Slow and strict. Constant tut.
    Did a variety of stretching then moved back in for 30 minutes of the arch trainer.
    Was a good day i will say. Hit the gym twice.

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